9/26/2023 0 Comments Was sam and frodo gay![]() War poetry is a very different case to a novel given it discusses of real people living under fear of persecution, requiring more sensitivity when 'prescribing' sexualities on people than when we discuss fiction. The reason for this is naturally up for debate, but it isn't regarded in literary fields as an undertone so much as a featural aspect of the genre. However, in the case of poetry during the First World War, there are a proliferation of Queer voices in the 'canon' of WWI in comparison with, say, the canons of the Second World War or the Boer War. Obviously when discussing real people, especially soldiers fighting in awful conditions with inadequate care during or after, we need to be a lot more careful and tentative when talking about sexuality. It seems strange to imply that Tolkien didn't have feature women in his works because he just wasn't around them enough, given it's much more reasonable to say he excluded women due to his literary influences being primarily male-dominated, especially the myths and legends he was fond of. Romantic and platonic relationships between men always existed, but they were necessarily much more clandestine given that English society at the time was deeply mistrustful of such relationships, and the consequences of being thought to be having affairs with men were very severe.Īs for your point on women, I'm not really sure what argument you're making. People lived in fear their entire lives of others discovering they were Queer! I'm saying that living in the trenches allowed men to develop profound romantic relationships with each other in the same way people argue it allowed men to develop profound platonic relationships with each other. I never said the military pushed those relationships. The whole point of their journey together, is to show how strong their friendship is, Sam literally saves Frodo from Shelob, kills orcs in “Cirith Ungol” and carries him up the slopes of mount doom, not because he’s in love with Frodo, but because he loves him as friend.Īnyway would love to hear your thoughts on this, it’s just something that’s always bothered me about parts of the fandom. If you have to perceive Frodo and Sam’s friendship as “They have to be gay, look at all these scenes where they hug, and are there for each other”, then that’s a you problem, you can’t conceive 2 friends of the same sex caring for each other intermittently without having a perceived gayness for one another. No they are friends who care deeply about one another, their love for each other doesn’t have to be sexual or romanticised, they love each other as friends. It’s already established in the fellowship of the ring that they are good friends and they have a strong bond with one another.īut too many times I’ve seen people make the argument that they must be gay because they share intermit and close scenes together. Their entire journey wasn’t about them falling in love together. Why do they need they need to be gay or why do you want them to be gay. In parts of the fandom especially on Twitter though, people seem to keep wanting Frodo and Sam to be in a gay relationship, but I have to ask, why? This may annoy some people to be sure, but this is just something that annoys the hell out of me a lot. There are other Tolkien-themed subreddits out there! Say hello to our friends in the following places: We're looking at starting a wiki for these common ones. Try searching before posting a new thread: odds are we've already covered some of the "classic" questions ("Who is Tom Bombadil?", "What happened to the Blue Wizards?", "Why couldn't the Eagles just take the Ring?" etc). Please make use of r/TolkienBooks and r/TolkienArt for these. Posts/comments centring entirely on promotion will be removed. You can share your content, but in a discussion-based format. Links are allowed, so long as they contribute to the discussion. ![]() No posts that are simply links or title-only. (Some more obscure topics we will allow.) There are other spaces on Reddit to discuss the movies, games, fanfiction, AI-generated content, etc. This sub is intended primarily for serious posts, although humour in discussion is still welcome.ĭon’t discuss topics that stray too far away from having the centre of attention on Tolkien and his works. Stick to the topic instead of commenting on others. No insults, and no aggressive or passive-aggressive comments. For the full descriptions of the rules, follow this link.Īlways keep in mind that we are all human beings, so treat others how you would like to be treated.
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